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what is the time signature of this piece
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u***@googlemail.com
2006-03-09 08:30:20 UTC
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What is the time signature of the song found at this URL?:

http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid

Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.

--ben
Terry Dwyer
2006-03-09 11:32:16 UTC
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Post by u***@googlemail.com
http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid
Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.
--ben
4/4 (Common time!)
u***@googlemail.com
2006-03-09 12:25:39 UTC
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It doesn't deviate at all from 4/4? When I try to set a 4/4 beat to it
at the same BPM, it doesn't seem to match at all.
Post by Terry Dwyer
Post by u***@googlemail.com
http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid
Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.
--ben
4/4 (Common time!)
Fiona Abrahami
2006-03-09 12:59:17 UTC
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Post by u***@googlemail.com
It doesn't deviate at all from 4/4? When I try to set a 4/4 beat to it
at the same BPM, it doesn't seem to match at all.
It's definately 4/4, what bpm are you trying to set?
Post by u***@googlemail.com
Post by Terry Dwyer
Post by u***@googlemail.com
http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid
Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.
--ben
4/4 (Common time!)
u***@googlemail.com
2006-03-09 13:50:29 UTC
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well it seems to get somewhat close with very high bpms...like in the
200's, for some reason. does the BPM vary throughout the song?
Post by Fiona Abrahami
Post by u***@googlemail.com
It doesn't deviate at all from 4/4? When I try to set a 4/4 beat to it
at the same BPM, it doesn't seem to match at all.
It's definately 4/4, what bpm are you trying to set?
Post by u***@googlemail.com
Post by Terry Dwyer
Post by u***@googlemail.com
http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid
Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.
--ben
4/4 (Common time!)
Andre Schnoor
2006-03-09 14:20:42 UTC
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Post by u***@googlemail.com
well it seems to get somewhat close with very high bpms...like in the
200's, for some reason. does the BPM vary throughout the song?
There are tempo changes in the file. Try clapping your hands along with
the tune and you'll easily recognize it. Don't get confused by the
syncopic breaks.

Andre
Post by u***@googlemail.com
Post by Fiona Abrahami
Post by u***@googlemail.com
It doesn't deviate at all from 4/4? When I try to set a 4/4 beat to it
at the same BPM, it doesn't seem to match at all.
It's definately 4/4, what bpm are you trying to set?
Post by u***@googlemail.com
Post by Terry Dwyer
Post by u***@googlemail.com
http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid
Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.
--ben
4/4 (Common time!)
Matthew Fields
2006-03-09 15:47:17 UTC
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Post by Andre Schnoor
Post by u***@googlemail.com
well it seems to get somewhat close with very high bpms...like in the
200's, for some reason. does the BPM vary throughout the song?
There are tempo changes in the file. Try clapping your hands along with
the tune and you'll easily recognize it. Don't get confused by the
syncopic breaks.
Andre
I don't find any tempo changes in the file at all.
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To be great, do better and better. Don't wait for talent: no such thing.
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Andre Schnoor
2006-03-09 20:45:33 UTC
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Post by Matthew Fields
Post by Andre Schnoor
Post by u***@googlemail.com
well it seems to get somewhat close with very high bpms...like in the
200's, for some reason. does the BPM vary throughout the song?
There are tempo changes in the file. Try clapping your hands along with
the tune and you'll easily recognize it. Don't get confused by the
syncopic breaks.
Andre
I don't find any tempo changes in the file at all.
I didn't examine the events (maybe the tempo change is minimal), but
there are tempo change events other than the initial tempo
initialization event.

Andre
Matthew Fields
2006-03-09 22:55:05 UTC
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Post by Andre Schnoor
Post by Matthew Fields
Post by Andre Schnoor
Post by u***@googlemail.com
well it seems to get somewhat close with very high bpms...like in the
200's, for some reason. does the BPM vary throughout the song?
There are tempo changes in the file. Try clapping your hands along with
the tune and you'll easily recognize it. Don't get confused by the
syncopic breaks.
Andre
I don't find any tempo changes in the file at all.
I didn't examine the events (maybe the tempo change is minimal), but
there are tempo change events other than the initial tempo
initialization event.
Andre
Okay, I just checked the thing carefully with computer tools.
The actual tempo is 174 (well, 173.999), and the only tempo change is on
the final stinger, which is marked 155 (154.999). Otherwise it's completely straight 174 4/4 throughout.
--
Matthew H. Fields http://www.umich.edu/~fields
Music: Splendor in Sound
To be great, do better and better. Don't wait for talent: no such thing.
Brights have a naturalistic world-view. http://www.the-brights.net/
Joey Goldstein
2006-03-10 04:25:03 UTC
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Post by Matthew Fields
Post by Andre Schnoor
Post by Matthew Fields
Post by Andre Schnoor
Post by u***@googlemail.com
well it seems to get somewhat close with very high bpms...like in the
200's, for some reason. does the BPM vary throughout the song?
There are tempo changes in the file. Try clapping your hands along with
the tune and you'll easily recognize it. Don't get confused by the
syncopic breaks.
Andre
I don't find any tempo changes in the file at all.
I didn't examine the events (maybe the tempo change is minimal), but
there are tempo change events other than the initial tempo
initialization event.
Andre
Okay, I just checked the thing carefully with computer tools.
The actual tempo is 174
And to think I got the same tempo using only a Franz metronome. I must
be a geenyus or sumpfin'.
Post by Matthew Fields
(well, 173.999), and the only tempo change is on
the final stinger, which is marked 155 (154.999). Otherwise it's completely straight 174 4/4 throughout.
--
Matthew H. Fields http://www.umich.edu/~fields
Music: Splendor in Sound
To be great, do better and better. Don't wait for talent: no such thing.
Brights have a naturalistic world-view. http://www.the-brights.net/
--
Joey Goldstein
http://www.joeygoldstein.com
joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
Matthew Fields
2006-03-09 15:46:54 UTC
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Post by u***@googlemail.com
well it seems to get somewhat close with very high bpms...like in the
200's, for some reason. does the BPM vary throughout the song?
Post by Fiona Abrahami
Post by u***@googlemail.com
It doesn't deviate at all from 4/4? When I try to set a 4/4 beat to it
at the same BPM, it doesn't seem to match at all.
It's definately 4/4, what bpm are you trying to set?
Post by u***@googlemail.com
Post by Terry Dwyer
Post by u***@googlemail.com
http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid
Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.
--ben
4/4 (Common time!)
A syncopation begins in m.5, but it's slight and short and lasts
exactly 2 bars of 4/4. There are a few syncopations here and there,
and the melody note sometimes starts or ends exactly halfway between
beats. The level of syncopation is nowhere near as much as you find in
Haydn or Beethoven. But unlike some pieces in this genre, there isn't
a single percussion part playing quarter notes throughout--it has
aspirations higher than the average pop dance.
--
Matthew H. Fields http://www.umich.edu/~fields
Music: Splendor in Sound
To be great, do better and better. Don't wait for talent: no such thing.
Brights have a naturalistic world-view. http://www.the-brights.net/
David Webber
2006-03-09 18:19:07 UTC
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Post by Matthew Fields
A syncopation begins in m.5, but it's slight and short and lasts
exactly 2 bars of 4/4. There are a few syncopations here and there,
and the melody note sometimes starts or ends exactly halfway between
beats.
Indeed it just zonks along in 4/4 at crotchet = 173.

Dave
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Matthew Fields
2006-03-09 18:47:09 UTC
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Post by David Webber
Post by Matthew Fields
A syncopation begins in m.5, but it's slight and short and lasts
exactly 2 bars of 4/4. There are a few syncopations here and there,
and the melody note sometimes starts or ends exactly halfway between
beats.
Indeed it just zonks along in 4/4 at crotchet = 173.
Dave
Heh, I should have popped the file into a parser and looked at it. If
you have a metronome set to a more standard number like 168 or 172 or
176, the metronome will phase against this beat.
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Matthew H. Fields http://www.umich.edu/~fields
Music: Splendor in Sound
To be great, do better and better. Don't wait for talent: no such thing.
Brights have a naturalistic world-view. http://www.the-brights.net/
David Webber
2006-03-09 23:47:57 UTC
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Post by Matthew Fields
Heh, I should have popped the file into a parser and looked at it. If
you have a metronome set to a more standard number like 168 or 172 or
176, the metronome will phase against this beat.
Yes that's why I pointed it out :-)

[I just imported it into MOZART and as there were bars with 16 semiquavers
regular as clockwork right to the end it indicates that the rhythm in the
file is probably pretty close to mechanical. If the tempo changes by
making all notes and rests say 2 or 3% longer (rather than inserting a tempo
event) then it may sound innocuous but any notation program is going to
struggle with it. This is not the case here. It is metronomic as you
asserted originally.]

Dave
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Joey Goldstein
2006-03-09 22:05:32 UTC
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It's approx 174 beats per minute, in 4/4.
Post by u***@googlemail.com
well it seems to get somewhat close with very high bpms...like in the
200's, for some reason. does the BPM vary throughout the song?
Post by Fiona Abrahami
Post by u***@googlemail.com
It doesn't deviate at all from 4/4? When I try to set a 4/4 beat to it
at the same BPM, it doesn't seem to match at all.
It's definately 4/4, what bpm are you trying to set?
Post by u***@googlemail.com
Post by Terry Dwyer
Post by u***@googlemail.com
http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid
Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.
--ben
4/4 (Common time!)
--
Joey Goldstein
http://www.joeygoldstein.com
joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
David Webber
2006-03-10 00:00:01 UTC
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Post by Joey Goldstein
It's approx 174 beats per minute, in 4/4.
You're right. MOZART rounded down when I imported it. It is in fact closer
to

crotchet = 173.9997912

or more precisely a crotchet lasts 344828 microseconds.

And I overlooked it before but there is a tempo change, a little way in, to

crotchet=154.9999096

(crotchet lasts 387097 microsecs)

The slow section obviously. :-)

Dave
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Smitty3226
2006-03-26 06:47:46 UTC
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I have just made a dance version of Mazinrock and converted it into MP3
if anyone is interested drop me a line.

Matthew Fields
2006-03-09 15:40:27 UTC
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Post by u***@googlemail.com
It doesn't deviate at all from 4/4? When I try to set a 4/4 beat to it
at the same BPM, it doesn't seem to match at all.
Post by Terry Dwyer
Post by u***@googlemail.com
http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid
Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.
--ben
4/4 (Common time!)
No, it doesn't deviate from 4/4 at all.
--
Matthew H. Fields http://www.umich.edu/~fields
Music: Splendor in Sound
To be great, do better and better. Don't wait for talent: no such thing.
Brights have a naturalistic world-view. http://www.the-brights.net/
Matthew Fields
2006-03-09 12:06:02 UTC
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Post by u***@googlemail.com
http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid
Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.
4/4.
--
Matthew H. Fields http://www.umich.edu/~fields
Music: Splendor in Sound
To be great, do better and better. Don't wait for talent: no such thing.
Brights have a naturalistic world-view. http://www.the-brights.net/
Julio Laredo
2006-03-09 22:53:25 UTC
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Yeah, what everyone else said, it is in some kind of duple, most probably
4/4, but, did anyone else have 60's television theme song flashbacks? Out
of the corner of my mind's eye I was seeing a montage of Hawaii landscapes,
or half expecting Johnny Rivers to start belting out lyrics.

A cute number, by the way.
Post by u***@googlemail.com
http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid
Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.
--ben
u***@googlemail.com
2006-03-10 11:26:22 UTC
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I think the midi was made by converting a singers voice into a horn or
something, and the singer sang the song for some Japanese anime show.
Does anyone know why this melody is so catchy? Its more memorable than
any melody to me.
Post by Julio Laredo
Yeah, what everyone else said, it is in some kind of duple, most probably
4/4, but, did anyone else have 60's television theme song flashbacks? Out
of the corner of my mind's eye I was seeing a montage of Hawaii landscapes,
or half expecting Johnny Rivers to start belting out lyrics.
A cute number, by the way.
Post by u***@googlemail.com
http://seizurerobots.com/mazinrock.mid
Thank you very much, anyone who knows this.
--ben
Matthew Fields
2006-03-10 12:24:09 UTC
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Post by u***@googlemail.com
I think the midi was made by converting a singers voice into a horn or
something, and the singer sang the song for some Japanese anime show.
I don't think so. I turned off quantization on my import and it's as
metronomic as all get-out... and the one tempo change is on the last
pair of stingers.
Post by u***@googlemail.com
Does anyone know why this melody is so catchy? Its more memorable than
any melody to me.
Maybe because you associate it with the web page? I find it easily crowded
out of my brain by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz's "Bang the Rocks Together" (q.v.!).
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Matthew H. Fields http://www.umich.edu/~fields
Music: Splendor in Sound
To be great, do better and better. Don't wait for talent: no such thing.
Brights have a naturalistic world-view. http://www.the-brights.net/
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