Discussion:
The Latin Pianist
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Linea Recta
2004-11-03 15:52:06 UTC
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When I'm using 'The Latin Pianist' (PG Music), it sounds OK on the SB
Audigy.
But I have trouble to make it sound right with my keyboard (Yamaha PSR 410).
The rithm is played as piano patch.
I know the drums should be routed to channel 16 instead of 10 on this
Yamaha, but even then when I change this under MIDI settings it keeps
playing errorous. Any tips?
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Mark Outrage
2004-11-06 08:35:44 UTC
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Post by Linea Recta
When I'm using 'The Latin Pianist' (PG Music), it sounds OK on the SB
Audigy.
But I have trouble to make it sound right with my keyboard (Yamaha PSR 410).
The rithm is played as piano patch.
I know the drums should be routed to channel 16 instead of 10 on this
Yamaha, but even then when I change this under MIDI settings it keeps
playing errorous. Any tips?
Why can't you use channel 10? all my XG stuff is fine with it. With XG, you can
use drums on another channel, you may have to send it a bank change of (I think)
127 (MSB) 0 (LSB). (Cakewalk calls it Patch[16256])

Does this program send a GS (roland) reset, an XG (yamaha) or just a general midi
reset? that may be confusing the issue as well.
Sambodidley
2004-11-06 20:02:14 UTC
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I'm not familiar with the PSR 410. If it is not a GM midi device you will
have to look at your manual to see what channel the drum track must be on.
Wherever the drum track goes the drums still probably won't be mapped to
the GM standard. If not, you will have to re-map the midi track in the midi
file to the proper notes to play right on your keyboard. That is a very
time consuming task. Unless there is some special reason you want to use
the sounds on your keyboard you would be better served to use the Audigy
sounds for playback on these midi files. You can still use your keyboard
for midi input to play the sounds in the Audigy in realtime.
Post by Mark Outrage
Post by Linea Recta
When I'm using 'The Latin Pianist' (PG Music), it sounds OK on the SB
Audigy.
But I have trouble to make it sound right with my keyboard (Yamaha PSR 410).
The rithm is played as piano patch.
I know the drums should be routed to channel 16 instead of 10 on this
Yamaha, but even then when I change this under MIDI settings it keeps
playing errorous. Any tips?
Why can't you use channel 10? all my XG stuff is fine with it. With XG, you can
use drums on another channel, you may have to send it a bank change of (I think)
127 (MSB) 0 (LSB). (Cakewalk calls it Patch[16256])
Does this program send a GS (roland) reset, an XG (yamaha) or just a general midi
reset? that may be confusing the issue as well.
Linea Recta
2004-11-08 20:52:13 UTC
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Post by Sambodidley
I'm not familiar with the PSR 410. If it is not a GM midi device you will
have to look at your manual to see what channel the drum track must be on.
Wherever the drum track goes the drums still probably won't be mapped to
the GM standard.
It's suposed to be. There is a GeneralMIDI logo on it. But the rithm part is
always played on ch. 16 on this keyboard.
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regards,

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Post by Sambodidley
If not, you will have to re-map the midi track in the midi
file to the proper notes to play right on your keyboard. That is a very
time consuming task. Unless there is some special reason you want to use
the sounds on your keyboard you would be better served to use the Audigy
sounds for playback on these midi files. You can still use your keyboard
for midi input to play the sounds in the Audigy in realtime.
Post by Mark Outrage
Post by Linea Recta
When I'm using 'The Latin Pianist' (PG Music), it sounds OK on the SB
Audigy.
But I have trouble to make it sound right with my keyboard (Yamaha
PSR
Post by Sambodidley
410).
Post by Mark Outrage
Post by Linea Recta
The rithm is played as piano patch.
I know the drums should be routed to channel 16 instead of 10 on this
Yamaha, but even then when I change this under MIDI settings it keeps
playing errorous. Any tips?
Why can't you use channel 10? all my XG stuff is fine with it. With XG,
you can
Post by Mark Outrage
use drums on another channel, you may have to send it a bank change of
(I
Post by Sambodidley
think)
Post by Mark Outrage
127 (MSB) 0 (LSB). (Cakewalk calls it Patch[16256])
Does this program send a GS (roland) reset, an XG (yamaha) or just a
general midi
Post by Mark Outrage
reset? that may be confusing the issue as well.
Sambodidley
2004-11-09 01:01:54 UTC
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Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
I'm not familiar with the PSR 410. If it is not a GM midi device you will
have to look at your manual to see what channel the drum track must be on.
Wherever the drum track goes the drums still probably won't be mapped to
the GM standard.
It's suposed to be. There is a GeneralMIDI logo on it. But the rithm part is
always played on ch. 16 on this keyboard.
regards,
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\/os
Then, it doesn't conform to GM standards. The GM standard requires drums to
be on channel 10. Does your keyboard manual have a drum map in it? Also, is
there some special reason you prefer to use your keyboard sounds instead of
those on your Audigy? Those on your Audigy will correctly produce the right
sounds from any of the myriad of GM midi files in existence without any
problem.
Linea Recta
2004-11-09 15:47:49 UTC
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Post by Sambodidley
Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
I'm not familiar with the PSR 410. If it is not a GM midi device you
will
Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
have to look at your manual to see what channel the drum track must be
on.
Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
Wherever the drum track goes the drums still probably won't be mapped
to
Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
the GM standard.
It's suposed to be. There is a GeneralMIDI logo on it. But the rithm
part
Post by Sambodidley
is
Post by Linea Recta
always played on ch. 16 on this keyboard.
regards,
|\ /|
\../
\/os
Then, it doesn't conform to GM standards.
So what's the logo doing on the keyboard then?
Post by Sambodidley
The GM standard requires drums to
be on channel 10. Does your keyboard manual have a drum map in it?
In the manual there is a "percussion kit list". I suppose this is synonimous
for drum map?
Post by Sambodidley
Also, is
there some special reason you prefer to use your keyboard sounds instead of
those on your Audigy?
Yes, I like to be able to use both. In some progs. like Cakewalk I can make
the Audigy and the Yamaha play both alternately playing parts through theit
own driver.
Post by Sambodidley
Those on your Audigy will correctly produce the right
sounds from any of the myriad of GM midi files in existence without any
problem.
I suppose I have to make a drum map myself. How can this be done?
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regards,

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Sambodidley
2004-11-09 20:42:14 UTC
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Your simplest solution to your problem would be to use the Audigy for the
drum tracks and your keyboard for whatever else you want to add to the rest
of it. If your keyboard is truly GM compliant then there is some way to
configure it to play standard GM files without any changes. My PSR-740 is
and does. Unless you can determine what you need to do from your manual to
make yours do likewise then the logical step would be to use the work around
that will work for you. Since I don't have a PSR-410 available to check,
this is something I probably won't be able to help you with by a NG post.
Perhaps you can find somebody there in your area to check it out for you.

P.S. A drum map is a list that assigns a midi note number to each
percussion sound in the list. Midi note numbers run from 0 to 127 or 1 to
128 depending on the program you are using.
Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
I'm not familiar with the PSR 410. If it is not a GM midi device you
will
Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
have to look at your manual to see what channel the drum track must be
on.
Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
Wherever the drum track goes the drums still probably won't be mapped
to
Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
the GM standard.
It's suposed to be. There is a GeneralMIDI logo on it. But the rithm
part
Post by Sambodidley
is
Post by Linea Recta
always played on ch. 16 on this keyboard.
regards,
|\ /|
\../
\/os
Then, it doesn't conform to GM standards.
So what's the logo doing on the keyboard then?
Post by Sambodidley
The GM standard requires drums to
be on channel 10. Does your keyboard manual have a drum map in it?
In the manual there is a "percussion kit list". I suppose this is synonimous
for drum map?
Post by Sambodidley
Also, is
there some special reason you prefer to use your keyboard sounds instead
of
Post by Sambodidley
those on your Audigy?
Yes, I like to be able to use both. In some progs. like Cakewalk I can make
the Audigy and the Yamaha play both alternately playing parts through theit
own driver.
Post by Sambodidley
Those on your Audigy will correctly produce the right
sounds from any of the myriad of GM midi files in existence without any
problem.
I suppose I have to make a drum map myself. How can this be done?
--
regards,
|\ /|
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\/os
mccm dot vos at hccnet dot nl
URL http://home.hccnet.nl/mccm.vos/
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Jeffery S. Jones
2004-11-09 02:31:45 UTC
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Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
I'm not familiar with the PSR 410. If it is not a GM midi device you will
have to look at your manual to see what channel the drum track must be on.
Wherever the drum track goes the drums still probably won't be mapped to
the GM standard.
It's suposed to be. There is a GeneralMIDI logo on it. But the rithm part is
always played on ch. 16 on this keyboard.
If it is GM, then it should play drums on channel 10, fed from the
MIDI input. It is possible that its internal accompaniment uses
channel 16.

Also, if you're running Win98 or 95, the Windows MIDI mapper can
remap drums on channel 10 to 16 (and lots of other remaps, but that is
one which can cause confusion).
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Linea Recta
2004-11-09 15:51:24 UTC
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Post by Jeffery S. Jones
Post by Linea Recta
Post by Sambodidley
I'm not familiar with the PSR 410. If it is not a GM midi device you will
have to look at your manual to see what channel the drum track must be on.
Wherever the drum track goes the drums still probably won't be mapped to
the GM standard.
It's suposed to be. There is a GeneralMIDI logo on it. But the rithm part is
always played on ch. 16 on this keyboard.
If it is GM, then it should play drums on channel 10, fed from the
MIDI input. It is possible that its internal accompaniment uses
channel 16.
Also, if you're running Win98 or 95, the Windows MIDI mapper can
remap drums on channel 10 to 16 (and lots of other remaps, but that is
one which can cause confusion).
I'm running Windows 2000SP4. But still there seems to be enough contingence
for lots of confusion...
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regards,

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mccm dot vos at hccnet dot nl
URL http://home.hccnet.nl/mccm.vos/

ICQ 326628
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